Volume III No. 16                       Nicholas Scrolls                        November 2007

Mystery Babylon

And the times we are now in…

 

My dear brethren, friends and neighbors,

 

Greetings once again. I bid you all shalom and pray that our Lord be praised in all your households for the ongoing work being done in the fields of harvest. This particular Scroll only edifies and enhances further - a deeper look into what time we are now living. At times in the past, I have shared the articles and letters of other Godfearing brethren to support and confirm what the Spirit of our Lord is conveying to and through many of us. The bulk of this Scroll ties in the political atmosphere of our current world affairs with what many of us see unfolding from the pages of ancient prophesy found in our beloved Bibles. Though portions of this Scroll may be prophetic in nature and serve as warning to all believers about the unfolding political chaos surrounding us, it is not necessarily intended to be viewed as hard core fact. Much of what is being presented here correlates well with the prophetic scriptures and should be considered carefully as we seek to prepare ourselves for the increasing adversity and pre-millennial return of our Lord Christ Jesus.

 

Ron White, a Godfearing brother, in response to an ongoing dialogue between other Godfearing men from Jack Hook’s cc group, wrote the following article. Jack Hook is another beloved brother in Christ who heads up his own web ministry, Babylon the Great is Falling.”  To view Jack Hook’s web ministry, please log onto http://www.babylonthegreatisfalling.net.

 

There are at times differences between us as we participate and dialogue with one another over the premises that the unadulterated Word of God establishes. Please focus less on any possible disagreement stated here and more on the visible evidence being provided. This exchange is designed to stir your minds up by way of reminder and coach you into giving more serious thought to your own view and position in regards to America’s involvement with world affairs and how it might relate to the end times we are now entering. At the very least, that which is presented here is thought provoking and may even inspire you to look deeper into the long hidden mysteries first spoken of by Daniel the Prophet. As you read this, I want everyone to ask himself or herself one question in particular. Are we the last generation Jesus spoke of when discussing the end times?

 

Brother Ron White writes:

 

I don't claim to be an eschatologist but a mere student of the Word. Prophetic Scripture is one of my heartthrobs for study.

Jack Hook seems to be right in his identification of "Mystery" Babylon as described in Rev. 18 - 19:5 that (if it's a "city" as stated), the only two cities on earth today that meets all descriptions are NYC and/or Wash., D.C., and if it is a state/country, the only nation on earth today that meets all descriptions is the USA.

That's where Jack Hook and I part company (correction, "disagree"). I see absolutely nothing in Scripture that identifies the Antichrist beast with the President of the U.S. After asking Jack his basis for this, Jack referred me to his Chronicles writings and Daniel 7, which describes "nations" (not the Antichrist beast), and now Jack says he "sees" both the "woman" and "U.S. President" in Revelation 17:7. To attempt to use these, as a basis for making the Antichrist beast the U.S. President is a gross assumption -correction, “personal opinion” based on human opinion only, not Scriptural descriptions or identification.

 

POINT 1. Rev. 17:10, 11 provide specific descriptions of who the Antichrist beast is. "There are also seven kings (world leaders). Five have fallen (died, been killed), one is (alive, the sixth), and the other has not yet come (the seventh). And when he (the seventh) comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition."

 

The only group of nations on earth today that comprised seven, then eight, is the G-8 economic nations that was seven until Russia was added in the mid-1990s, which then became the G-8. The U.S. President can in NO WAY be the "eighth" because he was one of the original seven. Only the President of Russia meets this description. (There is no other description in Daniel or elsewhere that specifically identifies this personality or that describes a personality that can fit this description. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Only human opinions do this.)

 

POINT 2. Kato, you asked what nation gets destroyed by the ten kings. None of those you listed -- not Iran, Britain, France, Norway that are specifically identified -- if these nations are destroyed in the great earthquake, they must be in the phrase "...and the cities of the nations fell."

 

First, "mystery" Babylon has a great earthquake as the first destructive activity (Rev. 16:18, 19). "Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, 'It is done!' And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath."

 

A massive earthquake that divides America into three parts would also meet the Rev. 18:10 descriptions, "Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come," and Rev. 18:2, "And he (the angel) cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, 'Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!' "

The ten horn leaders/nations burn "mystery" Babylon with fire as described in Rev. 18:8, "And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her." But it's Rev. 17:16 that tells us that it's the ten kings who burn her with fire: "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it in their (the ten kings/ten horns) hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled."

 

Please note; It's also God who puts these things in these evil kings' hearts to do these destructive things. Similar to God's calling evil King Nebuchadnezzar of old Babylon "My instrument" after the Chaldeans/Babylonians sacked the southern kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem in 586 B.C. and God's calling King Sennacherib of Syria "My instrument" after that evil king sacked and took captive the people of the northern kingdom of Israel in 722 B.C. For those who don't think God brings judgment on His own people, please read about His doing this on the divided kingdoms of old Israel/Judah. What God did to His first chosen under the Old Covenant, He's about to do to His second chosen under the New Covenant.

 

POINT 3.  [In our shared responses] Several have indicated that the woman harlot mystery Babylon isn't destroyed until after the tribulation or during the Gog-Magog war or other times.

First, America/harlot "mystery" Babylon is destroyed at Rev. 14:7,8, which is DURING the tribulation period. God's "wrath" doesn't come until Revelation 16. "Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, 'Go and pour out the bowls of wrath of God on the earth.' "

Second, the "church" the "body of Christ" goes through the seven seals and the seven "trumpet judgments" which are God's "Judgments" NOT God's "wrath". God's "wrath" begins with the "bowl" or "vial" judgments at Rev. 16. The "rapture" [first resurrection] happens at Rev. 11:15 which is the seventh and "last trumpet" as Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 15:51, 52.

Third, harlot "mystery" Babylon is destroyed during God's "judgment" and before God's "bowl/vial" wrath -- it is destroyed near the end of the tribulation, as discussed below.

 

POINT 4. There is only one resurrection of saints, not two or more "resurrections" (plural) of saints. Rev. 20:4, 5 says, "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the (wicked) dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

 

To reiterate, the "first" resurrection is of saints, those who died in Jesus, when the one single resurrection happens. The "second" resurrection doesn't happen until the end of the 1,000 years, after the Millennium, and that "second" resurrection is of the wicked dead, NOT saints. Folks with a pre-trib view have to come up with something to support their multiple pre-trib resurrection and rapture before the tribulation and another resurrection and rapture AFTER the tribulation. It isn’t gonna happen! Any "second" resurrection is of the wicked dead. The resurrection of the wicked dead, identified as the "second" resurrection, is AFTER the Millennium. Further, in all the NT, all writers refer to only ONE more "coming" [singular] of Jesus, and Jesus taught that this is "after the tribulation of those days" [Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27].

 

Lastly, folks with a pre-trib rapture view essentially, indirectly by assumption, accuse Jesus of omitting, forgetting, or getting Alzheimer's or dementia in not mentioning in His lengthy discourse of last days events, any mention of the "blessed hope" of believers by their pre-trib rapture view. Because God sent His Son to die for all mankind, what NT Christian would presume that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and all NT writers would forget, omit, get dementia, or not mention the "blessed hope" of believers in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, or elsewhere?

 

Such a view, teaching, and belief is not only dangerous for those who hold such a view, but it will likely cause many to become apostate, when millions of professing Christians realize they are "in" the tribulation and weren't "caught away" or "raptured" by angels before or at the beginning of the tribulation period (like Peter, they will renounce knowing Christ when the going gets tough). Some will know who this personality is, when he "confirms a covenant with many" that establishes the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel; THEN we will know factually, unequivocally, we are in the near "middle" of the tribulation when the Antichrist beast breaks his "covenant with many" and "sits/stands in the temple claiming to be God," and demands worship of his image, name, or mandatory "mark" on the forehead or right hand (probable injected chip). Then there will be no doubt. But, some will still hang on to their false beliefs, and Jesus enumerated their "new doctrine" they will then teach in Matt. 24:23-27 and Mark 13:21-23, perhaps claiming there "was indeed" a pre-tribulation rapture (which they somehow "missed"), and will report seeing Jesus "in the upper room" or "in the field" or over here or over there. Jesus said, "Do not believe them." Millions will become apostate by this man-made doctrine that Jesus never taught! Jesus taught about the "blessed hope" of believers, and Jesus taught the rapture and catching away of believers would be "after the tribulation of those days."

 

This may cause consternation among many, perhaps anger with others; it is a sad truth that Jesus told us beforehand what would happen -- in accurate truthful detail. My prayer is that believers in Christ will re-read Scripture in view of these thoughts, then prepare spiritually and in practical ways (oil for lamps, Matt. 25, includes both) for those times of God's judgment that is surely coming on the church, the bride of Christ, to test, try, and purify as pure gold, to make His bride without spot or wrinkle. The first 2300 days is God's "judgment" -- God's "wrath" comes only beginning with Revelation 16 and "vial/bowl" judgments, NOT Revelation 4:1.

 

POINT 5. Revelation and Daniel speak of the second part of the tribulation as "42 months" and "1260 days" and "1290 days". Many inject their personal opinions that the seven years consists of seven years times a 360-day Jewish year to equal 2520 days, and some multiply our 365 day calendar by seven. (Ignore such conjecture and human opinion/extrapolations.) Daniel 8:14 tells us the entire duration of the tribulation period, beginning with verse 13: "Then I heard a holy one speaking and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, 'How long will the vision be concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?' And he said to me, 'For two thousand three hundred days, then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.' " 2300 days. Jesus cleanses the temple/sanctuary at His return. (Math teachers may indicate that 2300 days is "not” a full seven years -- neither was the 68 years captivity of Judah a full 70 years as prophesied by Jeremiah. Neither will the full 1335 days be completed, as explained below -- all were/are/will be "cut short" or shortened in duration. Jesus said, “these days will be "cut short" for the sake of the elect.”)

 

POINT 6. The number of days of the second part of the tribulation (from both books of Daniel and Revelation), again, is "42 months" and "1260 days" and "1290 days" and "1335 days." Daniel 12:11 - 13 tell us when the one single resurrection happens, and the angel described this period "counting from" the near "midpoint" (or "midst") of the tribulation, which is when the abomination of desolation is set up, as Jesus described in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 and Paul in 2 Thes. 2:4: "And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety (1290) days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days (1335) (which is the resurrection of dead saints and the Second Coming of Jesus). But you (Daniel), go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance (the resurrection of dead saints including Daniel) at the end of the days." (Daniel is resurrected at the end of the days, which was just stated as 1335 days.) (All references to 1260, 1290, and 1335 are descriptions of the second part of the tribulation period -- none of these describe the first part, as some presume. For the doubters, pay close attention to the "word" descriptions of these events, not merely the numbers -- there can be no other application of these days, times, and events, except to apply all of them to the second and last part of the tribulation period, Daniel's 70th week of years.)

 

God always has reasons for doing anything. That God had specific different days listed that describe the second part of the tribulation is likely significant. But why? What are the possible events that happen at or mark the 1260th, 1290th, and 1335th days?

 

By the above quote of the angel to Daniel, it appears that the resurrection/rapture of saints happens at the 1335th day.  Other clues for the "possible" repeat "possible" events that happen at the 1260th and 1290th days are found in Revelation 14:6 and 14:7,8. These two events are still DURING the 2300-day tribulation period, so it will still be possible to accept Christ during this period.

 

Rev. 14:6 describes an angel who preaches the gospel one last time as the very last opportunity to accept eternal life before God's "wrath" which is one significant event. "Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth -- to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people--" (This is significant, because this is the "blessed hope" of all believers and the primary purpose in God's sending His Son to earth to die for mankind, and the basis for the New Covenant.)

 

Rev. 14:8 describes the "timing" of and sequential event of the fall of harlot "mystery" Babylon by the angel saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all the nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." (Evidently, this event is also significant, in that God had several verses and over two full chapters describing this event in Revelation, in addition to descriptions of Babylon's fall in Jeremiah 50, 51.)

Although Scripture doesn't specifically say the angels preach the everlasting gospel at the 1260th day. Neither does Scripture specifically state that Babylon falls at the 1290th day.

 

However, these two events seem to be the most significant events before the 1335th day, which is evidently RESURRECTION DAY. Plus, both of these events happen sequentially before the "reaping of the earth's harvest" (the rapture) in Rev. 14:14-16 -- the resurrection and rapture are one single event that evidently happen on the 1335th day.

 

POSSIBLE CONCLUSIONS:

1. Angels preach the gospel one last time to every soul on earth at the 1260th day of the second part of the tribulation.

2. Mystery Babylon, the woman harlot, USA, falls at the 1290th day of the second part of tribulation. (The "woman harlot" that is "mystery Babylon" of Revelation 17 & 18 must not be confused with the "woman" of Rev. 12 who flees into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her (the woman "believers") there one thousand two hundred and sixty (1260) days." Rev. 12:14 & 17 describes this "woman" as "But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place where she is nourished for a time (year), times (two years), and a half time (half a year) from the presence of the serpent (dragon Antichrist beast).... And the dragon was enraged with the woman (believers), and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring (converts to Jesus), who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." This "woman" of Rev. 12 can in no way be describing the "woman" great harlot mystery Babylon! Only Satan, the author of confusion and the accuser of the brethren, might do such a thing!)

3. The one single resurrection happens at the 1335th day, which is the same time Jesus comes in the air and to earth (the rapture) at His next "coming" singular. The 1335th day is "assumed" to be simultaneous with the 2300th day of the completed 70th week of years.

That nobody knows the day or hour, and it would be easy to compute these days -- Jesus said the days would be "cut short" in Matthew 24:22, "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

A precedent was established in the OT when the 70-year captivity of Judah was prophesied by Jeremiah, noted by Daniel 9:2. In calculating the time of the 70 years, the first return of exiles was actually 68 years, not 70 as prophesied, so God has cut short such prophesied times before. Paul said in 1 Thes. 5:1 that we would know the "times" (years) and "seasons" (quarter years). Further, Jesus said in Matt. 24:33 "So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near -- at the doors!"

Therefore, God will evidently "cut short" the 1335 days also, so that neither man nor angels in heaven know the day or hour of Jesus' return, but only the Father. However, those still alive and watching will know within a period of 45 days of Jesus' return and the resurrection of dead saints.

4. Using the 2300 days as the complete 7-year period of the last week of years of Daniel, then subtracting the last 1335 days of the second part, the remainder is 965 days as a "possible" duration of the first part of the tribulation. If this is true, then at the approximate 965th day, we can expect the Antichrist to stand/sit in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem claiming to be God, which will mark the mid-point of the tribulation. (The KJV is the more accurate translation of Daniel 9:27 that says "in the midst" (not "middle" as some suppose) of the week: "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the midst of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate." This marks the near "mid-point" and end of the 965th day, and this event will be the proof positive identification of who the Antichrist beast is, even if some don't agree with his word-description identification from Rev. 17:10, 11, above.

5. That the Antichrist beast "confirms" a covenant (Dan. 9:27) is indicative that the covenant or peace accord is already existent when it is confirmed. (One can't "confirm" something that doesn't exist.) Assuming we are in the last of "last days" today, the covenant or peace initiative or "covenant" in existence today is the "Roadmap" for Middle East peace as contrived by the "Quartet" (U.N., EU, Russia, U.S.), which virtually guarantees the decimation and destruction of Israel (but it won't happen, because Jesus returns to prevent Israel's complete destruction -- Luke 21 however says that Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies and again be "trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" which will be the third time this will have happened -- once in 586 B.C., once in 70 AD, and once yet future). The day that "Roadmap" is "confirmed," (watch for Russian Pres. Vladimir Putin or his successor to do this, based on Rev. 17:10, 11, described above), the 7-year tribulation clock starts ticking! (Note also this is "not" merely opinion of some Russian boogey-man or an evil "Hitler" type personality as many suppose and have opined for centuries about various evil personalities, but is based entirely on Scripture, Revelation 17:10, 11, described above.)

POINT 7. Revelation 18:4 is in NO WAY the resurrection nor the Rapture as some suppose. The command to "come out of her My people" is a command to come out of "her" describing the harlot or whore "mystery Babylon", with a warning, "lest you share in her sins and receive of her plagues." This is a command to believers, which gives us the choice to "come out" or not -- we NEVER have the option of "coming out" of anything at the Rapture. At the Rapture, God is the One who "chooses" who is or is not raptured and who does or does not meet Jesus in the air! Further, those who are part of the "harlot" or "whore" described, as "mystery" Babylon will not make it into God's eternal kingdom! Such would be blasphemy!

POINT 8. Some interject a Gog-Magog war where it isn't stated. The only Gog-Magog war specifically identified in Scripture and when it happens is Revelation 20:7-15 which happens after the 1,000-year Millennium. Ezekiel 38-39 describes this war in detail. (The previous war is the battle of Armageddon, detailed at Rev. 19:17-21 that happens at Jesus' return when Jesus, His armies and angels destroy the Antichrist beast and his armies surrounding Jerusalem at Jesus' next coming. This is NOT identified as a Gog-Magog war as some suppose! Nor is there any Scripture that indicates we are now in or are about to enter into any kind of Gog-Magog war today or the near future.)

POINT 9. As a last point that shouldn't have to be mentioned among genuine believers in Christ -- just because someone "believes" something does not make that belief true. Scripture alone should be used as the basis for basing all Christian beliefs, NT doctrines, and conclusions. Dreams, visions, prophecies, and other things have their place, but if or when they contradict, change, alter, or refute clearly stated Scripture, they are suspect at best, entirely false at worst. Every denomination on earth has its false, man-made doctrines without exception. Humans are fallible, including yours truly, but God and His Word are infallible and inerrant. Perhaps this is the reason we have so many "denominations" or "factions" or "divisions" or "parts of the whole", all of which are synonyms in referring to the "church" and "body of Christ." Trust Scripture itself and what it says, not necessarily what anyone else says or I may say, and we will all do fine. That which others "say about" Scripture is fallible and potentially full of errors. Scripture itself is not. One can never go wrong in basing all, repeat all New Testament Christian doctrines of any value or worth on the teachings of Jesus -- to begin and end with the teachings of Jesus alone! Those beliefs and doctrines that don't begin and end with Jesus' teachings are suspect at best, false at worst. The doctrine that begins at Revelation 4:1 is one of the most glaring examples that will cause many to renounce Christ during the coming apostasy and cause millions to burn eternally.

POINT 10. For those interested, the particular stage of "end times" we are likely experiencing today is the "apostasy" stage, but we haven't seen anything yet, compared to that which is coming when the going gets tough and the "mark" (probable injected computer chip is required for all commerce by electronic currencies world-wide) is made mandatory -- then we'll likely see millions become apostate, accept the mark, and renounce Christ (some will do this based on their belief in a pre-tribulation rapture doctrine and their belief that they can take this "mark" because the rapture hasn't yet happened; some teachers have already told their followers to "take the chip, if it is required to buy and sell; after all, the pre-tribulation rapture hasn't happened yet, and we know that whoever doesn't provide [food, clothing, necessities] for his own is worse than an infidel").

The near simultaneous other event with "apostasy" is the "confirmation" of the "covenant with many" by the Antichrist beast, and that single event seems to be very near in time. The biblical reference for these two events is Paul's emphatic statements in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4. When the "Roadmap" for Middle East peace is "confirmed," this writer will go out on a limb and make an emphatic statement that we are likely "in the tribulation period of the last and 70th week of Daniel" from that day onward.

POINT 11. Some get hung up on attempting to identify who the "ten horns" are or might be, but they might consider something even more sinister that may come before the ten horn-kings in Revelation 17:12-17.... A couple of verses earlier, from Revelation 17:10 (please review my POINT 1, above), an event that may shatter their world, your world, and my world:

For a really scary consideration and application of Revelation 17:10, "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen (died, been killed or assassinated), one is (alive, the sixth), and the other (the seventh) has not yet come (into office or on the scene when these events happen). And when he (the seventh) comes (into office or on the scene), he must continue a short time.

(Parenthetically, recall that I described the next verse, Rev. 17:11 in POINT 1 above, about the eighth, who in today's times and by applying the rationale that he can only be the "eighth" member of the G-8 economic leaders, and who himself is likely the Antichrist beast, the President of Russia who became the "eighth" of the former G-7.)

Now, if this application is accurate (I stress the word "if") about these seven that become eight "kings" or national leaders -- five of the original seven G-7 members are likely assassinated! (The odds of five national "kings" or "presidents" and prime ministers out of six to die natural deaths in a near time frame would be one in infinity - such has never happened in all of history.) (Also, we can exclude from consideration or count of the "sixth" who "has not yet come" into office or on the scene, because we know who is in office and living today.)

If true, this means OUR OWN President has an 83% chance of "possibly", repeat "possibly" being assassinated! (The math is five divided by six, five-sixth or 5/6, which equals 83.333%!)

Further, we note in Revelation 13 extensive descriptions about the Antichrist beast who receives a mortal head wound that is healed (v. 3) and will be "given authority to continue for 42 months" (v.4), "to make war with the saints and to overcome the saints" and "authority over every tribe, tongue and nation" (v.7); the "second beast" (false prophet) "performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men...and deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast (Antichrist), telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast (Antichrist) who was wounded by the sword (military weapon) and lived (vv. 12-14); "he was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads" (v. 16), "and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast (Antichrist), or the number of his name" (v17).

Note also that the events of Revelation 13 are "during," perhaps near the very beginning of, the 7-year tribulation period -- possibly soon after the "confirmation" of the "Roadmap" covenant with many, Daniel 9:27.

By combining these thoughts and descriptions about these eight kings (national leaders) and the events themselves as specifically described, we might make some further rational "possible" conclusions (please note I precede every statement with the word "if"):

 

1. If or when five national leaders are killed or assassinated, this is the most likely time the Antichrist beast (the eighth of the G-7) receives "a mortal head wound, yet lives."

2. If five of today's G-8 leaders are killed or assassinated and the eighth (Antichrist beast) receives a mortal head wound, yet lives, it is highly probable that attempts on the lives of all these national leaders happens at the same time!

3. If five of today's national leaders are killed or assassinated, including the President of the United States, and if the President of Russia receives a head wound, yet is somehow resurrected and lives (some will hail his "resurrection" to life as a miracle), won't these events result in the world being in a catastrophic state of chaos and possible anarchy? After assassination attempts on six of the most powerful leaders on earth, five of which were successful, and a sixth nearly successful!

What better time for the Antichrist beast to be resurrected from the dead (from "his mortal head wound, yet lives"), who is already the Chairman of the G-8 economic nations today, to become the international world leader dictator, who appoints ten international "kings" as regional heads and leaders over all the nations of the world (perhaps divided into ten geographic regions) to attempt to bring peace and stability [security] out of international chaos?

What better time for al Qaeda and all Muslims of the world to rise up and strike all "infidels" with death, so they can rule the world! (Along with 20 million dissident illegal aliens, who hate America, joined by 80 million Hispanic citizen sympathizers with illegal aliens! Add to these numbers all the dissident militants such as those who burned a portion of Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict who burned a part of the city, and all the police and National Guard combined couldn't stop the mayhem!)

4. If five of the G-8 leaders are assassinated and a "possible" assassination attempt is made on a sixth (the eighth of the G-8), who would be the most likely culprits to do such dastardly, cowardly deeds? Al Qaeda? Muslim extremists? What about the folks who pretty much run the world today and pull every leader's strings to do their will, the so-called "New World Order" crowd? Assassination attempts on six of eight would seem to indicate an "inside job" by some one or a group within. Hmmm-m-m-m. I don't know. Scripture doesn't say.

5. Revelation 17:12-18 describe these events in detail: " 'The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour (temporarily) as kings with the beast (Antichrist). These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast (Antichrist). These will make war with the Lamb (Jesus Christ) (after Jesus' return to earth at a later time), and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.' Then he said to me, 'The waters (peoples) which you saw, where the harlot ("mystery" Babylon) sits (NOT seven literal mountains as some suppose), are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot (the harlot "woman" mystery Babylon), make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it in their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. And the woman (harlot "mystery" Babylon) whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.' "

My best "guess" (a "guess" is NOT quoting nor on par with written Scripture as others seem to do) as of the near end of 2007 is that the EU is one of those "ten horn" regional powers who "give their authority to the beast Antichrist." A "possible" other nine "regions" of the world who are organized under one "confederation" of nations or the U.N. could be the already-on-paper and ready-to-be-implemented 1) North American Union (NAU, comprising Canada, Mexico, and U.S.); 2) Latin America; 3) South America; 4) Pacific Rim nations (Bush met with them last month, Oct. 2007, including China, Japan, Australia, N. & S. Korea, Vietnam, etc.); 5) South Asia (India, Pakistan, Thailand, etc.); 6) South Africa; 7) Arab "oil cartel" nations; 8) Russia; 9) the independent "Commonwealth of Nations" formerly part of the Soviet Union. For counting purposes, the 10th is the EU.

That some suppose these "ten horns" as somehow being today's nations that were then former Roman Empire nations is most unlikely. What nations or groups of nations of the old Roman Empire have sufficient power, political will, and financial and military power to give to the Antichrist beast to rule the world? The entire EU with all the power of NATO (including the U.S. and Canada) couldn't even control the Balkans, much less the entire world! As powerful as the U.S. is, we can't even extend our military power any more than current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the U.S. (who sits as "queen," Rev. 18:7) is tremendously more powerful, influential, and financially able to do more than all EU nations combined -- so any thought of the "ten horns" being one or more nations of the old former Roman Empire in the 21st century is only in someone's imaginative conjecture and a virtual impossibility, regardless of what someone "believes."

More likely, all nations of the world will probably be divided into ten geographic regions, and these ten regions will then meet the biblical descriptions of the "ten horns" of Revelation and Daniel. These ten regions will likely have "temporary" leaders appointed or elected (if they don't already have an existing leader) "for one hour" who then "give their power and authority to the beast" Antichrist.

The whole world will be supportive of this one-world ruler dictator, because he will promise "peace and safety" during the most chaotic time in all of history after five of the G-8 leaders are likely assassinated and a sixth is almost assassinated, but lives to rule the world.

In actuality, whoever is the U.S. President during this time likely has a 100% chance of being assassinated, rather than a mere 83% chance, simply because of his stature and position as the world's most powerful leader whom someone wants dead. Bush? Hillary Clinton? I don't know. But watch for this to happen immediately before or shortly after the "Roadmap" is "confirmed" with many. Then watch for Putin or his successor to receive a deadly head wound, yet survive, to become the world dictator Antichrist -- NOT by opinion, but by the descriptions of Revelation 17:10, 11.

POINT 12. If none of this has got your attention to prayerfully consider and to cause one to not only re-examine Scripture and get one's heart and spiritual house in order, nothing will. False doctrines won't cut it! Scripture is true. Without knowledge of Scripture, one won't have a clue about current events happening in the world today or the near future. Most world citizens, sadly including the majority of professing Christians, will support the one-world dictator and take the injected computer chip, so they can continue to buy groceries, fill their gas tanks with gasoline (in lieu of keeping their spiritual gasoline tanks full of the Holy Ghost), and end up in the lake of fire that burns forever. Sorry folks -- I don't read of exceptions for those who were "once-saved-always-saved" who are spared from the lake of fire. Whoever takes the mark in their right hand or forehead, whoever worships the image or name of the beast Antichrist dictator, will burn eternally! No exceptions!

 

For anyone who makes comments, quotes, or forwards excerpts of this writing, please quote or send ALL OF IT INTACT!!! PLEASE do NOT quote these statements out of context nor without the very important caveats such as "if" or "if this is true" or "possible" or "likely" and other such things that are stressed repeatedly. THE ABOVE COMMENTS ARE BASED ENTIRELY ON POSSIBLE VIEWS FROM SCRIPTURE ALONE AND ARE IN NO WAY STATED NOR INTENDED TO INDICATE FACTS NOR PROPHETIC EVENTS! THE AUTHOR HAS NO IDEA ABOUT ANYONE WHO MIGHT WANT TO DO THE ABOVE ACTS, OTHER THAN THE "POSSIBILITIES" HEREIN DESCRIBED!

Serious comments and thoughts welcome. Personal attacks are not welcome. That these thoughts are contrary to lots of opinions and beliefs out there is without question. Some even put their pet doctrines above the written Word, similar to the Pharisees who put their oral laws and oral traditions above the written Word -- in Matthew 23, Jesus called them “hypocrites, broods of vipers, white washed tombs” of the dead, hypocrites repeatedly. From my view, if the shoe fits, wear it; if it doesn't fit, give it to someone it fits -- I don't intend to be personal. I'm simply sharing a "possible" view of prophetic events and how it "may be possible" for these events to "feasibly" unfold. Nothing more. Nothing less.

A primary purpose in my doing this is to try to get as many believers as possible to get one's spiritual house in order! ASAP! Then KEEP one's spiritual house in order! Keep one's "spiritual gasoline tank" FULL of the Holy Spirit DAILY! For it will be those who don't "love their lives to the death" or more than death who are overcomers. "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son." (Rev. 21:7)

Readers had better hope the "Roadmap" is NOT "confirmed" at the tentatively scheduled Nov. 26, 2007 peace summit in Annapolis, MD.

What if the Roadmap is "confirmed" in the next few weeks or months, followed by assassination of five world leaders and a sixth world leader is believed dead, but survives and lives to become the world dictator Antichrist? What if these events happen before the next election? Are you prepared?

A tantalizing thought: Every time we obey the command to "pray for the peace of Jerusalem" which won't come until the Prince of Peace comes back to earth, we are actually praying for all of the above events to happen beforehand!

For anyone who might want to learn other thoughts that may allow one to "escape all these things" while still on earth, please ask. Scripture provides the answers. (A pre-tribulation rapture is not the answer.) Remember also that we are to be anxious about nothing. Plus, those who practice anger do not inherit the kingdom (Galatians 5:19-21) (don't go to heaven), which includes those who may believe in false doctrines who tend toward anger or react in angry ways, if or when their pet false doctrine is questioned or proven false.

Are there any true "WATCHERS" out there? What are you "watching" for, The next big paycheck? Next Sunday's tickling ear sermon followed by favorite football games? Your "increase" by tithes and offerings? A prosperity gospel, A replacement theology? Winning the lottery? Any normal human will go thru first, denial, followed by anger, then bargaining or rationalization, then depression, then finally acceptance, with either a hopeful or hopeless outlook -- this includes those who hold to false doctrines who learn truth. I did. You will, if you haven't examined Scripture to learn the truth about end times.

Ron White

 

P.S. Doug, the reason I truly wish a pre-trib rapture doctrine were true is stated above -- millions of them are going to become apostate and burn -- that includes virtually every Christian I know or that I'm related to by blood! I stated true convictions about what I wish were true but isn't, contrary to your objections and counter statements. Perhaps you don't care about those millions of souls, but I do! Jews aren't the only ones with scales over their eyes! One of the biggest, most blinding "scales" over Christian eyes today is one called a "pre-tribulation dispensationalist rapture doctrine" and another is the "eternal security doctrine" of once-saved-always-saved "scales" that blind professing Christians to truth! “Straight is the way and narrow the gate that leads to life” -- few will enter! HOW I TRULY WISH a pre-trib rapture doctrine were true!!!

Rev. 14:4 gives us an indication about how many "professing" Christians may make it to heaven when Scripture referred to the 144,000 Jews as "firstfuits to God and to the Lamb" -- "first fruits" means "tenth" or "tithe". This refers to the 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel, but I would imagine that Gentile Christians will likely be about the same -- a "tenth" of professing believers, or one in ten, perhaps fewer in the U.S. who are soft, complacent, fat, lukewarm, and unprepared. Probably over 80% of evangelical Christians believe they are going to be yanked off the earth in a pre-trib rapture and don't give a hoot about anything else, so perhaps 1/10 of the remaining 20%. Not very many.

Doug, you admonished me a few times to RE-READ your article and web site -- perhaps you will find it in your heart to read and re-read the above, consider the distinct possibility of events happening as stated -- THEN perhaps you will then understand a bit better why I am so reluctant to grab hold of or believe every type of stated possibility out there that cannot be confirmed by written Scripture. You may be an excellent mathematician and teacher. Great! I was a pretty good intelligence analyst who served as the senior American officer to NATO regarding the Soviet Army! When the Holy Spirit told me He would use all the background experiences, training, and years for His glory and honor, I think He meant it! I have never said, nor do I believe, I have it all right, nor do I know all things accurately, but what I do know is probably pretty close -- A LOT CLOSER than a pre-trib rapture belief! The above thoughts are a thousand times closer to truth than a pre-trib rapture!

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Reflections and Impressions

 

Notice brethren that Brother Ron never comes off saying ‘he is right and everyone else is wrong.’ Though bold in his assertions and stated understanding, he leaves room for the ifs and possibilities. Where Ron and I agree whole-heartedly is that the “pre-tribulation rapture” view is just plain UNBIBLICAL. I’ve noticed that some among those in Jack Hook’s cc group have over the last year agreed that the forthcoming prophesied resurrection event is a “pre-millennial” event and NOT a pre-tribulation event. Folks, you can’t get any clearer on the stated position of our Lord more than Christ’s own words. That the promised resurrection of faithful ones (saints) will be immediately "after the tribulation of those days."

 

As I have indicated in multiple prior Scrolls over the last year or so, Ron and I are also in profound agreement that many believers who have maintained a “pre-tribulation” rapture view will be the very ones who become apostate. They will be unable to recognize the signs that are staring them in the eyes! Like Ron, this too saddens me a great deal because pre-tribbers completely misunderstand and therefore miss out on the “blessed hope.” Everyone is going to have one last opportunity to repent and be saved on the final warning given by the Angel who cries out in earnest, “the everlasting gospel to every nation, tribe tongue and people.” I stand in full agreement with Ron prayerfully, that believers in Christ will re-read Scripture in view of these thoughts, then prepare spiritually and in practical ways (oil for lamps, Matt. 25, includes both) for those times of God's judgment that is surely coming on the church, the bride of Christ, to test, try, and purify as pure gold, to make His bride without spot or wrinkle.”

In Point 11 above, Ron states that the possibility of Rome somehow being a part of the 10 horns of the beast is unlikely. Ron is speaking in terms of political power and strategic military might. What Ron does not address is the obvious influence that Rome has had over our contemporary culture and the role that the Roman Catholic Church has played in international politics and influence over 17 centuries. Though Rome may not look much like a key player at present, one might be able to surmise that she has already co-mingled her influence among nations world wide – most especially from within the authority matrix of the Vatican. One only need look at the political structure of various governments as well as the physical landscape of government monuments and stone architecture to discern that Rome has indeed long been a powerful influence on human government. This commingling is best described in the Book of Daniel 2:40-43 “And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdues all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.  And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”

 

In addition to the RCC’s influence on governing powers she has and is still to this day the most powerful influence on man’s religious matrix including the protestant sectors of divided Christianity. It is at this current hour the Catholic Church’s mission to bring all denominational faiths together. This is called ecumenism. For those that follow the errant patterns of man-made religion, solidarity will likely be the result and this in turn will become the large group that worships the beast and falls victim the harlot’s seduction. In my opinion, the Catholic Church perfectly represents the “Mother of all Harlots.” As I have pointed out in great detail in prior Exhortations and Scrolls, this marriage between politics and human religion began with the legalization of Christianity during Constantine I rulership. What we see today is the fully matured relationship between harlot and beast, which was first begat in early Rome. The signs are everywhere. How can anyone possibly denounce or dismiss the obvious?

 

I beg you brethren, please do not take this information presented here lightly. This is a matter relevant to all humans on earth – especially to believers who are destined to be led astray. Do not let pride, arrogance or indifference be to your downfall. Do not love your lives or your quaint little churches more than Christ. Rather, you should be hating the world that is unfolding before us and let your love for God be complete. 1 John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”

 

Life aboard the Brig Lady Washington

 

My mind is aglow with a plethora of poetic expression resulting from my recent voyage aboard the Lady Washington. From the moment I donned the period garb, lovingly referred to as “funnies,” I felt myself being transported back in time when 18th century explorers were discovering the west coast of America. From the staged cannon battles against the Hawaiian Chieftain to handling the halyards and sheets, and bracing the yardarms, my senses were tingling as I began to experience the life of a Tall Ship sailor.

 

When in the seaway, the Lady creaked and groaned plying through the wind tossed waves as any wooden ship of sail would have in the days of old. We had one advantage that our 18th century ancestors did not – the use of an 871 Detroit diesel to get us through the contrary winds and tides. Crossing the Westport and Columbia bars seemed less difficult than it must have been for Robert Gray and the likes of earlier explorers. They had no engine and were at the mercy of wind and tide with only their sail handling experience and determination to rely upon.

 

Being made a watch commander with an assigned crew was a pleasant surprise and benefit I did not expect. My crewmembers were responsive and reliable – though young; they appeared fearless in the gale force winds willing to take on any task necessary to keep our ship safe and seaworthy. Watching them go aloft up on the ratlines to the main t’gallant in heavy seas to retie a gasket or to the main topsail to secure her loosened yardarm and make fast was impressive indeed.

 

Though the Lady performed well in light breezes and stormy gales, in a seaway her main decks were awash much of the time for that is the nature of her design. The continual dousing of salty wave and spray is good for her wooden hull and decks. The saltwater helps to preserve her wooden construction and keeps the planking on her deck and bulwarks tight.

 

The numerous whale and dolphin sightings were an added treat for all and comforting to the crew after a few days out. The immense size and grandeur of the Pacific Ocean tends to humble oneself when upon her waters. When you think about our planet being ¾’s covered by Sea and Ocean and you reflect upon her enormous depths a man tends to shrink into obscurity feeling not much larger than an ant in a world of human giants. Vast, unmeasurable, boundless and free is she the mighty Pacific.

 

The Lady Washington, in all her glory is surely a ship to inspire poetic expression. Her traditional rig and design sets the stage for an early American adventure novel. Even the Captains, each of a particular creed and breed make the adventure aboard a Tall ship more surreal. For me, this voyage was in part the fulfillment of a childhood dream and one I intend – God willing – to repeat, perhaps one day as her future Captain. She's a fine ship indeed!

 


With all sincerity and love for the truth and our scattered brethren abroad,

Nicholas A. Stivers, a humbled God fearing man, scribe and messenger.
Author; Apostasy Revealed published 2003 by Mountainview Publishing ISBN: 1-928602-92-4
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